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	<title>Comments on: Whose recognition of Peter prompted his second denial that he knew Jesus?</title>
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	<description>Does the Bible contain contradictions or errors? Biblical inerrancy examined.</description>
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		<title>By: Errancy</title>
		<link>http://www.errancy.com/whose-recognition-prompted-peters-second-denial/comment-page-1/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>Errancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree that it&#039;s clear that there were multiple accusers. Matthew and Mark refer to bystanders, but apart from that the only indication that there were multiple accusers is that each account gives a different accuser, which is precisely the problem that we&#039;re trying to accommodate. That said, I&#039;m happy to allow this as a possibility, so I don&#039;t see this as a provable contradiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree that it&#8217;s clear that there were multiple accusers. Matthew and Mark refer to bystanders, but apart from that the only indication that there were multiple accusers is that each account gives a different accuser, which is precisely the problem that we&#8217;re trying to accommodate. That said, I&#8217;m happy to allow this as a possibility, so I don&#8217;t see this as a provable contradiction.</p>
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		<title>By: WisdomLover</title>
		<link>http://www.errancy.com/whose-recognition-prompted-peters-second-denial/comment-page-1/#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator>WisdomLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly there were multiple accusers. By the time Peter swore an oath and the cock crowed in Good Friday morning, he had probably gathered a bit of a crowd.

But there were more than three &lt;em&gt;expressions&lt;/em&gt; of denial. Even so, there were only three &lt;em&gt;episodes&lt;/em&gt; of denial. Each of them being more conscious and deliberate. In the first case his denial is dismissive and to a servant-girl (though others overheard). In the second case it is a series of flat denials. In the third case, he swore an oath as part of his denial.

Each of these three episodes of denial probably involved more than one expression of denial. Luke&#039;s account of the third denial is highly suggestive here. Luke records that one of the bystanders &quot;&lt;em&gt;kept&lt;/em&gt; insisting&quot; that Peter knew Jesus. If he &lt;em&gt;kept&lt;/em&gt; insisting it, Peter must have &lt;em&gt;kept&lt;/em&gt; denying it (which is probably what ultimately precipitated the oath).

The fact that the three episodes of denial each involved multiple expressions of denial also accounts for some of the variations in wording and meaning. For example, Peter says &quot;I don&#039;t know him&quot; to the first servant-girl in two accounts, but he says &quot;I don&#039;t know what you are talking about&quot; in two accounts. Is this a contradiction? No. He probably said both.* Is it, then, two of the three denials predicted by Jesus? No. It is the first episode of denial.

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*Though it is also perfectly possible that the accounts differ in this case because one pair of accounts simply records the gist of Peter&#039;s words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly there were multiple accusers. By the time Peter swore an oath and the cock crowed in Good Friday morning, he had probably gathered a bit of a crowd.</p>
<p>But there were more than three <em>expressions</em> of denial. Even so, there were only three <em>episodes</em> of denial. Each of them being more conscious and deliberate. In the first case his denial is dismissive and to a servant-girl (though others overheard). In the second case it is a series of flat denials. In the third case, he swore an oath as part of his denial.</p>
<p>Each of these three episodes of denial probably involved more than one expression of denial. Luke&#8217;s account of the third denial is highly suggestive here. Luke records that one of the bystanders &#8220;<em>kept</em> insisting&#8221; that Peter knew Jesus. If he <em>kept</em> insisting it, Peter must have <em>kept</em> denying it (which is probably what ultimately precipitated the oath).</p>
<p>The fact that the three episodes of denial each involved multiple expressions of denial also accounts for some of the variations in wording and meaning. For example, Peter says &#8220;I don&#8217;t know him&#8221; to the first servant-girl in two accounts, but he says &#8220;I don&#8217;t know what you are talking about&#8221; in two accounts. Is this a contradiction? No. He probably said both.* Is it, then, two of the three denials predicted by Jesus? No. It is the first episode of denial.</p>
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<p>*Though it is also perfectly possible that the accounts differ in this case because one pair of accounts simply records the gist of Peter&#8217;s words.</p>
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		<title>By: Errancy</title>
		<link>http://www.errancy.com/whose-recognition-prompted-peters-second-denial/comment-page-1/#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>Errancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although you can&#039;t add more denials, you can add more accusations. Having several different people accusing Peter before the second denial seems to me like the best approach, and probably good enough to prevent this claim of error causing inerrantists much concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although you can&#8217;t add more denials, you can add more accusations. Having several different people accusing Peter before the second denial seems to me like the best approach, and probably good enough to prevent this claim of error causing inerrantists much concern.</p>
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		<title>By: Amtiskaw</title>
		<link>http://www.errancy.com/whose-recognition-prompted-peters-second-denial/comment-page-1/#comment-175</link>
		<dc:creator>Amtiskaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still, see Looking Unto Jesus for the best reply:
http://www.lookinguntojesus.net/ata20060702.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still, see Looking Unto Jesus for the best reply:<br />
<a href="http://www.lookinguntojesus.net/ata20060702.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.lookinguntojesus.net/ata20060702.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Amtiskaw</title>
		<link>http://www.errancy.com/whose-recognition-prompted-peters-second-denial/comment-page-1/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>Amtiskaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. In this sort of case, the normal reply would be that all the gospels together record everything that happened. But I don&#039;t see how you can say that, since Jesus predicted that Peter would make &lt;b&gt;three&lt;/b&gt; denials. One therefore can&#039;t add more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. In this sort of case, the normal reply would be that all the gospels together record everything that happened. But I don&#8217;t see how you can say that, since Jesus predicted that Peter would make <b>three</b> denials. One therefore can&#8217;t add more.</p>
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