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	<title>Comments on: Where did Aaron die, Moserah or Mount Hor?</title>
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	<description>Does the Bible contain contradictions or errors? Biblical inerrancy examined.</description>
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		<title>By: WisdomLover</title>
		<link>http://www.errancy.com/where-did-aaron-die/comment-page-1/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>WisdomLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But if Mount Hor is also the same place as Moserah and Moseroth (or they&#039;re all within a half-hour&#039;s walk of eachother), then the Hebrews are wandering in a circle. They leave Moseroth and arrive in Beeroth Bene Jaakan (per Deuteronomy 10) and, making a number of stops in between (per Numbers 33), they end up back at Moseroth/Mount Hor (also per Numbers 33). At this point, Aaron goes up to Mount Hor and dies.

This account harmonizes the passages. It does require that we accept that the Hebrews are wandering aimlessly in the wilderness, sometimes going in circles, sometimes backtracking.

To me, this is not much to accept. I&#039;d expect that kind of journey given that they&#039;re wandering around for 40 years to make a 1 month trip. Indeed, I&#039;m not sure it would be possible to make sojourn they made in forty years without doing a lot of aimless walking in circles, backtracking etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if Mount Hor is also the same place as Moserah and Moseroth (or they&#8217;re all within a half-hour&#8217;s walk of eachother), then the Hebrews are wandering in a circle. They leave Moseroth and arrive in Beeroth Bene Jaakan (per Deuteronomy 10) and, making a number of stops in between (per Numbers 33), they end up back at Moseroth/Mount Hor (also per Numbers 33). At this point, Aaron goes up to Mount Hor and dies.</p>
<p>This account harmonizes the passages. It does require that we accept that the Hebrews are wandering aimlessly in the wilderness, sometimes going in circles, sometimes backtracking.</p>
<p>To me, this is not much to accept. I&#8217;d expect that kind of journey given that they&#8217;re wandering around for 40 years to make a 1 month trip. Indeed, I&#8217;m not sure it would be possible to make sojourn they made in forty years without doing a lot of aimless walking in circles, backtracking etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Amtiskaw</title>
		<link>http://www.errancy.com/where-did-aaron-die/comment-page-1/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Amtiskaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. If Moseroth and Moserah are the same place, then you have the problem that, in Numbers 33:30-31, we are told they left Moseroth/Moserah quite some time before the death of Aaron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. If Moseroth and Moserah are the same place, then you have the problem that, in Numbers 33:30-31, we are told they left Moseroth/Moserah quite some time before the death of Aaron.</p>
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		<title>By: Errancy</title>
		<link>http://www.errancy.com/where-did-aaron-die/comment-page-1/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Errancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what my New Bible Atlas says: &quot;Near the end of this period Aaron died at Mt Hor (Nu.20:22-29; 33:37-39; cf. Dt.10:6 which names the place as Moserah, presumably a more precise locality within the mountainous region referred to as Mt Hor). The exact location of this is unknown, but it was evidently not far from Kadesh.&quot; [New Bible Atlas, UCCF (1985), p32]

The implication is that we don&#039;t know where Moserah and Mount Hor are, but because Aaron is said to have died at both of them they must be in the same place.

Given the reason for thinking that the Bible has Aaron die in two different places outlined in my previous comment (admittedly not a decisive reason, but a reason nevertheless), I&#039;d prefer a counter-argument based on some extra-biblical evidence.

That said, I agree that this isn&#039;t the strongest claim of biblical error, and am starting to think that it should be recast as something like &quot;Did Aaron die before or after the Israelites went to Jotbathah?&quot; Perhaps I&#039;ll post that as a closely related problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what my New Bible Atlas says: &#8220;Near the end of this period Aaron died at Mt Hor (Nu.20:22-29; 33:37-39; cf. Dt.10:6 which names the place as Moserah, presumably a more precise locality within the mountainous region referred to as Mt Hor). The exact location of this is unknown, but it was evidently not far from Kadesh.&#8221; [New Bible Atlas, UCCF (1985), p32]</p>
<p>The implication is that we don&#8217;t know where Moserah and Mount Hor are, but because Aaron is said to have died at both of them they must be in the same place.</p>
<p>Given the reason for thinking that the Bible has Aaron die in two different places outlined in my previous comment (admittedly not a decisive reason, but a reason nevertheless), I&#8217;d prefer a counter-argument based on some extra-biblical evidence.</p>
<p>That said, I agree that this isn&#8217;t the strongest claim of biblical error, and am starting to think that it should be recast as something like &#8220;Did Aaron die before or after the Israelites went to Jotbathah?&#8221; Perhaps I&#8217;ll post that as a closely related problem.</p>
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		<title>By: WisdomLover</title>
		<link>http://www.errancy.com/where-did-aaron-die/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>WisdomLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the coordinates for Moseroth from http://www.openbible.info/. That site gives the same coordinates for Moserah. I don&#039;t know why I didn&#039;t also get the coordinates for Mount Hor from that site as well. I was distracted mid-comment by something. In any case, I didn&#039;t use the same source. Had I done so, I would have gotten the exact same coordinates as for Moseroth and Moserah.

Perhaps there is some dispute about the location of Mount Hor. Could it be that the dispute is over a distance of .4 miles? If so, the alleged error is still a non-starter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the coordinates for Moseroth from <a href="http://www.openbible.info/" rel="nofollow">http://www.openbible.info/</a>. That site gives the same coordinates for Moserah. I don&#8217;t know why I didn&#8217;t also get the coordinates for Mount Hor from that site as well. I was distracted mid-comment by something. In any case, I didn&#8217;t use the same source. Had I done so, I would have gotten the exact same coordinates as for Moseroth and Moserah.</p>
<p>Perhaps there is some dispute about the location of Mount Hor. Could it be that the dispute is over a distance of .4 miles? If so, the alleged error is still a non-starter.</p>
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		<title>By: Errancy</title>
		<link>http://www.errancy.com/where-did-aaron-die/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Errancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, there&#039;s some uncertainty about the locations, so I&#039;m surprised to see precise coordinates given, but my source on that is about 25 years old so could be out of date.

I think that the case for this being a discrepancy rests on whether we see the journey in Deuteronomy from Beeroth-bene-jaakan to Moserah to Gudgodah to Jotbathah as the same as the journey in Numbers from Moseroth to Bene-jaakan to Horhaggidgad to Jotbathah.

The direction of the first leg is reversed, and there are some differences in place names (Moserah/Moseroth and Gudgodah/Horhaggidgad), but these are sometimes seen as parallel accounts.

If they are parallel accounts, then Deuteronomy kills off Aaron at the beginning of this journey while Numbers continues the journey and then kills him off later.

If they aren&#039;t parallel accounts, then saying that Mount Hor was at Moserah seems fine as a harmonisation absent any geographical data to the contrary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, there&#8217;s some uncertainty about the locations, so I&#8217;m surprised to see precise coordinates given, but my source on that is about 25 years old so could be out of date.</p>
<p>I think that the case for this being a discrepancy rests on whether we see the journey in Deuteronomy from Beeroth-bene-jaakan to Moserah to Gudgodah to Jotbathah as the same as the journey in Numbers from Moseroth to Bene-jaakan to Horhaggidgad to Jotbathah.</p>
<p>The direction of the first leg is reversed, and there are some differences in place names (Moserah/Moseroth and Gudgodah/Horhaggidgad), but these are sometimes seen as parallel accounts.</p>
<p>If they are parallel accounts, then Deuteronomy kills off Aaron at the beginning of this journey while Numbers continues the journey and then kills him off later.</p>
<p>If they aren&#8217;t parallel accounts, then saying that Mount Hor was at Moserah seems fine as a harmonisation absent any geographical data to the contrary.</p>
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		<title>By: WisdomLover</title>
		<link>http://www.errancy.com/where-did-aaron-die/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>WisdomLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a non-starter. Moseroth and Mount Hor are less than a half a mile apart.

Moseroth coordinates: 30.317396,35.407152
Mount Hor coordinates: 30.31667, 35.4

Use the ruler tool in Google Earth to see that they&#039;re about .4 miles apart, and there&#039;s a broad flat area between them. The Israelites might have camped in that area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a non-starter. Moseroth and Mount Hor are less than a half a mile apart.</p>
<p>Moseroth coordinates: 30.317396,35.407152<br />
Mount Hor coordinates: 30.31667, 35.4</p>
<p>Use the ruler tool in Google Earth to see that they&#8217;re about .4 miles apart, and there&#8217;s a broad flat area between them. The Israelites might have camped in that area.</p>
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		<title>By: Amtiskaw</title>
		<link>http://www.errancy.com/where-did-aaron-die/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Amtiskaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we know enough about the geography to be certain these can&#039;t both be true?

One place could have two names, or the mountain could be located in a region called Moserah.

Or some explanation along these lines?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we know enough about the geography to be certain these can&#8217;t both be true?</p>
<p>One place could have two names, or the mountain could be located in a region called Moserah.</p>
<p>Or some explanation along these lines?</p>
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