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	<title>Comments on: How many times did Peter deny Jesus before the cock crowed for the first time?</title>
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	<description>Does the Bible contain contradictions or errors? Biblical inerrancy examined.</description>
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		<title>By: WisdomLover</title>
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		<dc:creator>WisdomLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One correction. I&#039;ve been stupidly thinking in terms of contemporary timekeeping. Obviously, Good Friday started at sundown. &quot;This day&quot; then refers to today, i.e. to Good Friday.

With that said, I&#039;m still willing to contend that Jesus prediction in Mark was that the cock would crow twice, once before daylight and once at daylight, and that Peter would deny him three times before the second crowing. Matthew, Luke and John only talk about the second crowing (the one that heralded the dawn) and the prediction of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One correction. I&#8217;ve been stupidly thinking in terms of contemporary timekeeping. Obviously, Good Friday started at sundown. &#8220;This day&#8221; then refers to today, i.e. to Good Friday.</p>
<p>With that said, I&#8217;m still willing to contend that Jesus prediction in Mark was that the cock would crow twice, once before daylight and once at daylight, and that Peter would deny him three times before the second crowing. Matthew, Luke and John only talk about the second crowing (the one that heralded the dawn) and the prediction of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Amtiskaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amtiskaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark 14:68 - other ancient authorities lack &lt;i&gt;Then the cock crowed&lt;/i&gt;

:)

(Though we are later (14:72) told that the cock crowed a &lt;b&gt;second&lt;/b&gt; time, which seems to make this dubious as a solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark 14:68 &#8211; other ancient authorities lack <i>Then the cock crowed</i></p>
<p>:)</p>
<p>(Though we are later (14:72) told that the cock crowed a <b>second</b> time, which seems to make this dubious as a solution.</p>
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		<title>By: WisdomLover</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cock crowing event described in the Matthew, Luke and John accounts is the first cock crowing event of Good Friday (which, let us say, beat Peter&#039;s third denial by a nose).

The cock crowing event described in the Mark account above is the first of the two crowings Jesus predicted that Peter would hear. It occurred well before the beginning of Good Friday when the second crowing (which is also the crowing referenced by Matthew, Luke and John) occurred.

The sequence of crowings matches the sequences in the predictions recorded by each author.

The prediction that Luke records says &quot;before the cock crows &lt;em&gt;this day&lt;/em&gt;.&quot; With &quot;this day&quot;, I take Jesus to be referring to the morning of Good Friday (on Maundy Thursday, when he said it, the cock had already crowed many, many times). The prediction, as Matthew and John record it, does not mention &quot;this day.&quot; But they are also reporting the same prediction that Luke reports (because the crowing they later reference is, as with Luke, the first crowing of Good Friday).

But the prediction that Mark records says that Peter&#039;s three denials would occur before the cock crows twice and does not mention &lt;em&gt;this day&lt;/em&gt;. I take Jesus to be saying that before Peter heard the cock crow twice, he would deny Jesus three times.*

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*-As I said in the earlier thread on the predictions, Jesus made both predictions in a single predictive episode. Matthew, Luke and John recorded the prediction about the first crowing of Good Friday. Mark recorded the prediction about the next two crowings that Peter would hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cock crowing event described in the Matthew, Luke and John accounts is the first cock crowing event of Good Friday (which, let us say, beat Peter&#8217;s third denial by a nose).</p>
<p>The cock crowing event described in the Mark account above is the first of the two crowings Jesus predicted that Peter would hear. It occurred well before the beginning of Good Friday when the second crowing (which is also the crowing referenced by Matthew, Luke and John) occurred.</p>
<p>The sequence of crowings matches the sequences in the predictions recorded by each author.</p>
<p>The prediction that Luke records says &#8220;before the cock crows <em>this day</em>.&#8221; With &#8220;this day&#8221;, I take Jesus to be referring to the morning of Good Friday (on Maundy Thursday, when he said it, the cock had already crowed many, many times). The prediction, as Matthew and John record it, does not mention &#8220;this day.&#8221; But they are also reporting the same prediction that Luke reports (because the crowing they later reference is, as with Luke, the first crowing of Good Friday).</p>
<p>But the prediction that Mark records says that Peter&#8217;s three denials would occur before the cock crows twice and does not mention <em>this day</em>. I take Jesus to be saying that before Peter heard the cock crow twice, he would deny Jesus three times.*</p>
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*-As I said in the earlier thread on the predictions, Jesus made both predictions in a single predictive episode. Matthew, Luke and John recorded the prediction about the first crowing of Good Friday. Mark recorded the prediction about the next two crowings that Peter would hear.</p>
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